What’s wrong with the BNP?

Please don’t shoot me for that title just yet!

I recently discovered that one of the people that I frequently play computer games with online is a BNP voter. Now, I have known this person for more than a year. He’s good fun to game against and to talk to, he’s a reasonable guy and he is not stupid. So rather than start a fight and then never speak again, I asked him to write down his reasons for voting BNP. I had every intention of going through them myself and giving my counter-reasons where appropriate, but I haven’t got the energy to do so. Instead, I am presenting his arguments here and I would like all you clever people to give your reasons for or against his reasons in the comments.

To keep this a debate and not a fight, any personal insults will be deleted. No nasty names or insulting his character please.

why do is support the BNP? simply because, there is no other political party ,that will acknowledge the fact we have a huge problem with mass immigration, and enforced multiculturalism.

do I want to see the UKs  green belt concreted over, to facilitate the deliberate power breeding of the Islamic  community?

nope!

do I want to be force fed halal food by stealth? no! if halal slaughter is such a kind and humane practice, then I suggest vets start slitting our pets throats ,when they are put down. and muttering a few words to Allah

do I want to see some one get a job over another person ,because they are the wrong color ( white being the wrong color) ?  even if they are less qualified? NOPE!

I want free university places for our children. free prescriptions. lowering of the retirement age.  I want our  green belt and forests protected. I want our children to be taught English history.

I want to pay less taxes. I want to feel proud of my country. all this and more.

how would the BNP pay for this?

by stopping all illegal wars and invasions  of oil producing countries. bring back all our troops ,

and let them do what they are still going to do ,when we leave Afghanistan, Iraq etc.  we don’t need the army or navy on such a huge scale.

secondly pull us out of the European union. let us produce our own food and set our own laws.

stop all foreign aid.  until we are out of debt.

UK jobs for UK people first

invest in UK science and technology

repel the human rights act.

boot out all bogus asylum seekers.

stop all immigration.

Halt the grooming of white girls by gangs of Asian men for sex slaves.

Author: Latentexistence

The world is broken and I can't fix it because I am broken. I can, however, rant about it all and this is where I do that when I can get my thoughts together. Most of the time you'll find my words on Twitter rather than here though. I sometimes write for Where's The Benefit too.

40 thoughts on “What’s wrong with the BNP?”

  1. Halt the grooming of ANY girls for sex slaves,by ANY gang,including the Sun newspaper etc.

  2. How about the grooming of any girls for sex slaves by the Sun newspaper,advertising agencies,the “music”industry,etc..

  3. I stand for a free and open world,you stand in society according to your own competence,regardless of origin.Free trade and free movement.And be a bit human,help out the ones who are weaker than you.

  4. No one is forcing you to eat Halal meat.I have a friend who is a muslim,once bought me a full english brealfast when I was skint,he’ll also buy you beer just to watch you get pissed.PEOPLE HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR!!You should get out more.

    1. And also,I might add,I once cut my finger to the bone accidently,because it was so quick,it didn’t hurt at all,in fact it went warm as I went into mild shock.Was sore when healing tho.

  5. Deliberate power breeding of the islamic society?Sir ,you are PARANOID.This statement is as ridiculous as it is insulting.

  6. Produce our own food.Do you REALLY think there is enough farmland in this country to support the population?And what about British people who have friends who are muslims(and others)and acually LIKE the food,music and culture from other parts of the world?This argument also just does not stand up.

  7. One world free trade.LOndon has been an international trading port for 7000 years!Its the whole reason it exists!I could go into the history of it,but there really isn’t room here.Suffice it to say it was run by a man called CunoBelin(Sun Hound)who traded with the Romans and was the first of the celts to use money.A pleasant chap would skin you alive if you disagreed with him.I think skin colour or place of origin is irrelevant when it comes to issues of self control,in fact a great deal of Eastern culture is very helpful in promoting self control,,yoga,ramadan,and much much more…

  8. So then I have to ask – is he completely unaware that his party also wants to leave all disabled people to die as they “dilute the gene pool”? Is he further aware that the BNP wants anyone who isn’t white british out of the UK? Or, in the classic words of many racist folk, does he think YOU personally are ok but not those other people? (Some of my best friends are insert-word-here).

    On the surface, yes, it seems very sensible and that’s why people get suckered in. And yes, I do believe the UK could raise most if not all of its own food if only we could train ourselves not to want pineapple in winter and stop using land to park pleasure-horses on (don’t get me started). Even Hitler sounded reasonable from time to time…such is the veneer. Scratch it a bit, and then you can see the nastiness ooze out.

    It’s a shame, but such is Man.

    1. I think the little boy needs to get out of his nappies a bit and go out into the world.

      1. I agree: they do…but then there’s really very little one can do about that, can they? People are always going to believe this sort of stuff, and do. It’s winceworthy but it happens.

        1. In reality tho,people tend to stay in their own part of town,when they realize that fighting hurts.Maybe we’ll all end up in our own communities,like tribes,with our own small “governments”…

    2. “So then I have to ask – is he completely unaware that his party also wants to leave all disabled people to die as they “dilute the gene pool”? Is he further aware that the BNP wants anyone who isn’t white british out of the UK?………………..”

      Why not add (” if the BNP get in , they will eat your firstborn “)
      I mean ,if you are going to make up clap trap ,at least use some imagination..

  9. I’m sorry but I have removed Gavin Saunders comments from this article, because they really weren’t the kind of constructive comment that I asked for, was spread over far too many comments without a good reason, and some were insulting.

    I would really like people to counter specific points, rather than point out other reasons not to support the BNP.

  10. Most people who vote have a vague feeling (not necessarily born from racism, but from a vague idea of what might be good for them economically) that immigration is too high. Most people who think this will include white immigrants in this belief, and some people who think this will not be white themselves. It’s not about race.

    Given this, and given the fact that we live in a democracy, you’d think all the political parties (maybe apart from the LibDems) would be all over this issue, simply to gain more votes. Some of them talk the talk (e.g. Conservatives on occasions), but all governments have been “soft on immigration” in practice.

    Either all politicians are idiots (a common belief, but I’m more included to think they’re too clever for our own good), or else immigration brings benefits to this country which vastly outweigh the perceived costs.

    In short, I suspect that most immigration is of benefit to the UK economy. Keeping these hard working people out of the UK would be economic suicide.

    If we’re going to deport anyone, we should start with those people (of any colour, born anywhere, including white/UK) that could easily work but have chosen to live of benefits instead.

    So, that’s one strike against the BNP – they’re economically naive, and would ruin UK business with their policies.

    Here’s another: let’s assume their supporter continues to hold the same basic views. You have a problem putting the policy into practice: you’re 40+ years too late. The immigration and transformation you don’t like has already happened. The only way “back” now is a UK genocide of over 2 million people. Is that what you’re proposing? No? Well then you’d better figure out how the country can move forward. It doesn’t do this by starting a social/civil war against its own citizens.

    The first step is to take everything you read in the Daily Mail, and assume that the opposite is probably true. So…

    “Halt the grooming of white girls by gangs of Asian men for sex slaves.” – yeah, we’ve really got to stop the police from allowing this to happen. I mean, as soon as they see someone is non-white, they just let them do what they like. There are only white people in prison. non-white people never get convicted. ever.

    “boot out all bogus asylum seekers.” – yeah, damn it – why do they say “we know you’ve made this up, have a five bedroom house in Knightbridge”?!

    “repel the human rights act” – we’re not the only country that’s hating the (unintended?) consequences of this. We don’t need to repeal it, but in a democracy we do need to be able to set our own laws.

    “invest in UK science and technology” – we do. Hugely.

    “UK jobs for UK people first” – actually, as a UK person, I want to be able to employ the best person for the job. If the choice is between a smart immigrant and a stupid “UK person”, how dare you cripple my business this way?!

    “stop all foreign aid. until we are out of debt.” – it’s tiny – it’s not even a blip on the radar. Plus we’ve never been out of debt during the last four centuries, so basically you’re saying “no more foreign aid, ever”. We shouldn’t be so mean. The aid should often be smarter, though (I don’t know if you’re aware of this) the vast majority of government aid is structured so that it helps UK businesses.

    “secondly pull us out of the European union. let us produce our own food and set our own laws.” – yes, probably. So vote UKIP, not BNP.

    “stopping all illegal wars and invasions of oil producing countries. bring back all our troops.” Yes. You could have voted LibDem and avoided these wars – no need to go so far right!

    “I want to pay less taxes. I want to feel proud of my country. all this and more.” – who doesn’t want this? One thing is for sure – the riots and worse that BNP rule would bring, not to mention international condemnation and financial ruin, wouldn’t leave much to be proud of.

    “I want free university places for our children. free prescriptions. lowering of the retirement age. I want our green belt and forests protected. I want our children to be taught English history.” – free university places would be good – can be part funded by encouraging more international students who pay _far_ higher (historically up to 10x higher) fees than UK nationals. Oh, but they’re less likely to want to come to the UK with BNP policies in force. So actually universities would suffer under the BNP.
    Free prescriptions? Easily afforded now (look at Scotland).
    Retirement age? Pensions, Gordon brown taxing them. Nothing to do with immigration – the vast majority of pension provision comes from what people have paid in. No work = very little penson”.
    Green Belt + Forests? Yes. 70 million + people sounds like a challenge. We can be smarter in development, or have fewer people – a fair political choice without bringing race into it. You can influence planning decisions locally.
    I like History. I don’t just want dates and kings though – I want children to learn how to think and question. I guess German history might be a bit too uncomfortable for BNP supporters?

    “do I want to see some one get a job over another person ,because they are the wrong color ( white being the wrong color) ? even if they are less qualified? NOPE!” No. There are smarter ways to combat racism than quotas. Like fostering a society where the colour of someone’s skin is not issue at all. How is the BNP planning to help with that?

    “do I want to be force fed halal food by stealth? no! if halal slaughter is such a kind and humane practice, then I suggest vets start slitting our pets throats ,when they are put down. and muttering a few words to Allah” – Free market. Let’s have labelling, information, and informed choice.

    “do I want to see the UKs green belt concreted over, to facilitate the deliberate power breeding of the Islamic community? nope!” – remind me what your “final solution” to this problem was again? Really. Because I suspect you haven’t thought this one through.

    Cheers,
    David.

    1. Even working a full 45 years as I am close to having done, and never claiming a bean in benefits, does not constitute recieving a pension that will cover the cost of living…and its getting worse, so dont kid yourself that work = pension…there is a huge pension defecit and it is only getting worse. The only way to ensure you will have a pension you can live off is to invest in a private one, the younger you are when you start, the less it will cost you.
      Let me give you an example, my current NI contributions are over £400.00 per Month, but my state pension when I retire will be only £89.00 per week. Work the bones out of that one.

      1. So you’re 60-ish, earning over 40k, currently paying over £4800 per year national insurance, and will receive £4628 per year state pension when you retire. I’m not sure many private pensions pay back so much per pound paid in!

        …and with an increasingly elderly population, the BNP are going to help the situation how exactly? By sending younger tax paying immigrants out of the UK?!

        You see, I can quite accept the argument that the UK population should have an informed say in levels of immigration etc – we’re a democracy after all. What I can’t see is how any of the BNP policies you seem to admire are going to help you at all.

        It’s like you have this unfailing love for them, and are blind to the fact that their policies, if implemented, would ruin your country and your life.

        Do you think my other points are too stupid to reply to, or too difficult to challenge?

        What I found interesting was that I didn’t need to even mention what I thought of their core beliefs and what they “stand for”; purely on economic grounds their policies are hopeless – just as clueless as the last days of Labour IMO! (that’ll get me intro trouble 😉 )

        Cheers,
        David.

        1. Hi David, no not at all, I happily invite constructive debate, it does seem however that whenever anyone discusses policies that the mainstream party supporters dont like, the immiediate response is always personal sniping. I am one of the fortunate ones that has enjoyed a good career, and have ensured that my personal finances will see me through retirement. I do however feel desperateley sorry for all the less fortunate that simply have no jobs, no prospects and are trapped in neigbourhoods that have become desperateley run down, dirty, unsafe areas for the people born and raised there,that have been left with no hope of imrpoving their situation , while we send billions in aid to the similarly underpriviliged in foreign countries all over the world. I feel sory for the christians (and no Im not one), that are persecuted for wearing symbols of their beliefs at work, while others can and do openly practice their faith whenever and wherever they please. I feel sorry for the thousands of unemployed young people that have to fight against foreign immigration for places in the job market in their own homeland (Irrespective of their skin colour). I feel angry when I see groups of people burning our symbols of respect and rememberance all the while living off the fat of the society they so openly despise. I feel sorry for the parents of all the young men that die every day fighting wars to try and bring stability democracy and decent human values to countries so lost in the mists of the dark ages that they neither understand nor appreciate the effort, but in fact loathe us for it.. Frankly I think that religion and politics have a lot to answer for, but they are here to stay so I will continue to further the cause for a nationalist state that looks after its own first and foremost. All British people irrespective of the colour of their skin or their religion, have the right to preference in their own homeland, so please dont paint all nationalists with the same brush, that is like saying all Catholic priests are peadophiles, or all Muslims are terrorists, its nonsense.

    2. “In short, I suspect that most immigration is of benefit to the UK economy. Keeping these hard working people out of the UK would be economic suicide.”
      ……………………………………………..
      Well we certainly don’t need to import any comedians with that statement.
      “is the food ok in denial?”
      ……………………………………………
      “The first step is to take everything you read in the Daily Mail, and assume that the opposite is probably true. So…”……………………………..

      Wow! I say exactly the same thing about the communist times
      AKA (the daily mirror)……………………….

      “UK jobs for UK people first” – actually, as a UK person, I want to be able to employ the best person for the job. If the choice is between a smart immigrant and a stupid “UK person”, how dare you cripple my business this way?!”……………………………

      (DOH!) You saying there are no intelligent English,Irish Scottish welsh people who don’t need a job? (must try harder)…………………
      “do I want to see some one get a job over another person ,because they are the wrong color ( white being the wrong color) ? even if they are less qualified? NOPE!” No. There are smarter ways to combat racism than quotas. Like fostering a society where the colour of someone’s skin is not issue at all. How is the BNP planning to help with that?”…………….

      You really need to get out more, the BNP would make it law that the best person for the job gets the job.regardless of color.
      At the moment we have “positive discrimination” that allows employers to employ black or Asians only.

      .seem fair to you? ( I forgot you have a job) …………………..

      “do I want to be force fed halal food by stealth? no! if halal slaughter is such a kind and humane practice, then I suggest vets start slitting our pets throats ,when they are put down. and muttering a few words to Allah” – Free market. Let’s have labelling, information, and informed choice. …………………………………..”
      Under lib/lab/conservative.they will not even mention it ( the cowards) it would cost them the block vote of Islam.
      You will eat animals that have been religiously slaughtered, and your children will .
      ……………………………………………………………………………
      “stopping all illegal wars and invasions of oil producing countries. bring back all our troops.” Yes. You could have voted LibDem and avoided these wars – no need to go so far right!”…………………………………………….

      sure! Clegg has pulled us out of Afghanistan and we are not firing hundreds of missiles that cost £250k each at Libya?

      (and he would have got away with it if it wasn’t for that pesky Dave Cameron )

  11. why do is support the BNP? simply because, there is no other political party ,that will acknowledge the fact we have a huge problem with mass immigration, and enforced multiculturalism.
    Really? I’m hearing this from the Tories atm. Not that I’m advocating voting for them.
    do I want to see the UKs green belt concreted over, to facilitate the deliberate power breeding of the Islamic community? nope!
    Emotive and alarmist language: ‘green belt concreted over,’ ‘deliberate power breeding.’ What evidence is there for this assertion?
    do I want to be force fed halal food by stealth? no! if halal slaughter is such a kind and humane practice, then I suggest vets start slitting our pets throats ,when they are put down. and muttering a few words to Allah
    Again, alarmist language. While I would like to know if meat is halal or not, I’m not being ‘force-fed by stealth.’ And while I don’t agree with Islamic practices, I think that they deserve respect for their beliefs. Reasoned argument against halal slaughter, not ridicule.
    do I want to see some one get a job over another person ,because they are the wrong color ( white being the wrong color) ? even if they are less qualified? NOPE!
    What would you do? Legislate? I would like jobs to go to the best qualified applicant regardless of race, colour, creed, etc.
    I want free university places for our children. free prescriptions. lowering of the retirement age. I want our green belt and forests protected. I want our children to be taught English history.
    Well yes, but the BNP are not the only ones who want this.
    I want to pay less taxes. I want to feel proud of my country. all this and more.
    Ditto above.
    how would the BNP pay for this?
    by stopping all illegal wars and invasions of oil producing countries. bring back all our troops ,
    and let them do what they are still going to do ,when we leave Afghanistan, Iraq etc. we don’t need the army or navy on such a huge scale.
    This is unrealistic. Would you withdraw from Nato as well?
    secondly pull us out of the European union. let us produce our own food and set our own laws.
    stop all foreign aid. until we are out of debt.
    UK jobs for UK people first
    invest in UK science and technology
    repel the human rights act.
    (Repel? Whose spelling mistake is this? It’s a bit of a Freudian slip.)
    boot out all bogus asylum seekers.
    Be honest. Don’t you mean ‘all asylum seekers.’ And again, use of emotive language – ‘boot out.’
    stop all immigration.
    In response to all of the above: we may live on a small island but I don’t think it is feasible to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world. Or are you advocating total isolation, with no foreign travel or commerce for anyone?
    Halt the grooming of white girls by gangs of Asian men for sex slaves.
    Again, yes, but Asian men are not the only ones doing the grooming. This statement demonises Asian men.

    1. “boot out all bogus asylum seekers.
      Be honest. Don’t you mean ‘all asylum seekers.’ And again, use of emotive language – ‘boot out.’”
      …I bet they’re jackboots.

      1. The issue of “Bogus Asylum seekers” has gone beyond the control of the state, both current and past governments admit that there are thousands of “bogus asylum seekers” whose claims were proved to be without foundation, that have simply vanished into society at large, when told their claim had failed and they must return to their country of origin.These are people that will not appear on any census, add to the black market illegal labour trafficking issues, and do not contribute to the public purse in any way. I fully agree they should be traced, arrested and deported.

      2. Size 11 sandals actually. All asylum seekers in the UK are bogus.
        Asylum, is claimed at the first safe country you enter.
        I.e. France , Spain, Mongolia etc.

        The ones that sneak into the UK are economic migrants.

    2. Just a comment on the Halal issue, you are evidently not aware that almost all meat sold in UK supermarkets (Other than Morrisons, who would not advocate it) is Halal. There is no requirement to labe meat as Halal, but their is a requirement to label it “Non Halal” Thus most supermarkets went with the simple, cheap option of just making sure all meat is Halal. The practice of Halal slaughter is inhumaneley cruel (Have you ever seen it done?) and the animals suffer an unimaginably slow and painfull death, often lasting several minutes. In reality we have taken a first world inductry with humane modern standards, back several hundred years to appease a growing minorities religious tastes. I am not against immigration, but frankly if preople want to live in the UK, they should adopt and embrace our culture and values, not foist theirs onto us by subversive practices.

    3. “Emotive and alarmist language: ‘green belt concreted over,’ ‘deliberate power breeding.’ What evidence is there for this assertion?”………………..”

      This is a
      “Should have gone to spec-savers” moment.
      Turn around ,stand up, go out of front door.
      LOOOOOOOOK!
      You need to travel the country and go into a few Muslim community’s
      ( funny how you can have one of those , but not a Christian one?)
      See those women who are warring the Batman outfits?
      The crowd of midgets surrounding her are called
      ( you guessed it)
      CHILDREN…………… And when those seven or eight children grow up . They will have seven or eight children each.
      And so on ,and so on. And they will marry a man /woman from Asia . And they will bring them over here.
      And they will demand a huge house and because there are not enough houses ,they will build on green belt.
      I can show you three examples ,where in Manchester they have built housing estates on School playgrounds.
      They build on grass verges at the side of the road even. All because of over breeding by (shhhhhhhhhhhhhh..you know who)
      ( a free math’s lesson) don’t thank me:)

      On another note. Notice how new housing for indigenous couples ,is generally one or two bedroom?
      (ethnic cleansing) for sure

      1. You are making some sweeping generalisations here.

        1. Not all Asians marry a spouse from the ‘home country.’

        2. They don’t all have seven or eight children. And by the way, they are children, not midgets.

        3. I’ve lived in Slough. My children went to schools with an ethnic mix of pupils (ask them, you are in a gaming clan with all of them). We didn’t notice much friction between communities. And actually we did live in a Christian community, but I don’t think it’s quite what you meant.

        4. Building on school playing fields and green belt is not because of Asian ‘over-breeding’. It’s solely for the purpose of making money. The most recent new-build social housing round here is on a car park and in a converted factory.

        Before you start making ‘Spec-saver’ witticisms you might want to consider that the person you are directing your comments at could be seriously visually impaired. But then, why should I expect any consideration from someone who is obviously hopelessly bigoted?
        (and that was meant to be an offensive comment in reply to your offensive remarks)

        1. Christine ( I don’t think you get my humor) I do tend to forget that jokes have been banned by the previous government.
          Please understand I am not a frothing at the mouth nutcase ,who is belittling anyone over there veiws.
          As for sweeping generalizations, come on? There is no political party more demonized than the BNP.
          I always have a little chuckle to myself, when the old Nazi jack boot racist bigot etc labels are tossed about like cheap confetti.
          Read this about Hitler’s soviet Muslim legions.
          http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

          Slough may not have much friction at the moment. But the clock is ticking ,and every day we see the drastic changes that are ruining the country. I would gladly drive you round some” no go areas” in greater Manchester.
          What is going to happen when Turkey, join the European union? Will they give back northern Greece? After invading and colonizing it way back in 1974 ( with the obligatory mass beheadings) .(don’t think so)
          Also if you don’t like my tone or point of view, please, please have the decency to tell me what great political party you vote for.
          Its easy to snipe and ridicule the BNP . I will be happy to point out the flaws of every other racist party i.e., labour , conservative, etc.

          Finally, I have to wonder how any CHRISTIAN can ever hold there head up after this ludicrous situation. Where
          All the councilors and governors, where asked to vote on halal food being served at stoke on Trent schools
          Here is the list note the Third councilor who voted against having a ban on halal food.
          Shame on him, he ain’t going to heaven

          Councillors who voted for a ban on halal meat in schools:

          Dave Marfleet (British National Party), John Burgess (British National Party), Melanie Baddeley (British National Party), Michael Coleman (British National Party), Steven Batkin (British National Party), Ellie Walker (Community Voice), Mick Salih (Community Voice), Peter Kent-Baguley (Community Voice)

          Councillors who voted against a ban on halal meat in schools:

          Abi Brown (Conservative & Independent Alliance), Adrian Knapper (Labour), Alan Rigby (Christian Independent), Amjid Wazir (Labour), Barbara Beeston (City Independents), Clive Brian (Conservative & Independent Alliance), Dave Conway (City Independents), Debra Gratton (Labour), Denver Tolley (Labour), Duncan Walker (Labour), Gwen Hassell (Labour), Janine Bridges (Labour), Jeremy Dillon (Labour), John Daniels (Conservative & Independent Alliance), Joy Garner (Labour), Kassem Al-Khatib (Labour), Kieran Clarke (Liberal Democrat), Mahammed Matloob (Labour), Majid Khan (Labour), Margaret Barber (Labour), Mark Davis (Labour), Mark Wright (Conservative & Independent Alliance), Matt Wilcox (Labour), Megan Ryan (Conservative & Independent Alliance), Mervin Smith (Labour), Michael Barnes (Community Voice), Mick Bell (City Independents), Mohammed Pervez (Labour), Olwen Hamer (Labour), Paul Shotton (Labour), Rita Dale (City Independents), Ross Irving (Conservative & Independent Alliance), Roy Naylor (Independent), Ruth Rosenau (Labour), Sarah Hill (Labour), Terry Follows (City Independents), Tom Reynolds (Labour), Tony Fradley (Labou………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

          Have a nice day Christine 🙂 and by the way your children who I play online with, are a wonderful credit to you , I love them all,
          (except Tim sometimes when he wall kills me, when he thinks I don’t see him)

  12. The BNP have some good Ideas, they calmly put these across as often as they can. No other parties ever try to rationally debate against them, all they try to do is ridicule, debunk, and accuse them of being fascists, Racists, etc. Why?, because for the most part everything they push for is in the interest of a better Britain, unlike many others that seem to be lost in the old colonial responsibility and ancestral guilt issues, that somehow Britian is responsible for all the issues of the third world at large, and therefore we should all rally round and work ourselves to death to pour money into foreign aid, support tens of thousands of “Asylum” seekers from failed states, and generally be the gaurdian angel for the world at large. Charity begins at home, and God knows there are enough issues to sort out here first before we even look at getting involved in other peoples problems.

    1. It’s a lost cause attempting to rationally debate with BNP supporters as they will just spout the same specious non-arguments as you have above. Why are they accused of being racist? Aside from their nefarious and well documented history, could it be something to do with the simple fact that their constitution denied membership to non-whites until they were legally forced to change it? I would say that this is not just racist but also non-democratic, and the BNP is a party that takes part in the democratic process. They also deny ‘Britishness’ to non-whites, in fact not just non-whites but also people like me with my mixed European background. This denial of identity is very much in line with tactics used by certain, yes I’m gonna say it as it applies here, fascists. Britain’s involvement in the problems elsewhere in the world is very much a contemporary concern and not something to be filed under our colonial past. Empire continues except this time under the auspices of multinational corporations and vested interests – these corporations and interests have a very large say in how ‘first world’ governments act across the globe. In any case, to dismiss the crimes of old imperialism as being irrelevant to the problems we see today is short sighted and ill informed to say the least. We cannot separate ourselves from the rest of the world and it’s problems as we are intrinsically tied into them historically, politically and economically. On a personal basis I would say that we are also tied in by the fact that we are all humans, why say that one group of us deserve preferential treatment purely on the grounds that we plopped out on a certain piece of earth? The BNP do not want what’s better for Britain, they want what’s better for Nick Griffin and his odious ilk – they have no political nous whatsoever and proclaim ‘policies’ that are unworkable – even when they have achieved council seats they have been proven to be next to useless – the opposition budget produced by the BNP in Barking before they were wiped out was universally slammed for its incompetence and ridiculousness.

  13. you cant be force fed by stealth, it is by definition impossible. you can be fed halal by stealth, but not force fed.

    frankly, sending all the immigrants away leaves a huge gap for all the god awful jobs that no-one would want to do, these jobs are done largely by ‘illegals’ because they cant seek legitimate employment. as well as the huge number of public service jobs filled by qualified immigrants such as nurses and doctors.

    leaving the EU would end a huge amount of trade and possibly make the deficit far worse, we quite simply aren’t a self sufficient country and don’t have the infrastructure to be so.

    sorry for the half arsed response but just watch this video to see what the BNP is actually all about, racism by stealth. actual bona fide real stealth, not imaginary sensationalist stealth

    1. however, if what Garraelius says about halal meat is correct then that is pretty disgusting. i can not see a reason why meat that is not halal must be labelled as such when predominantly we would be eating that. it’s like labelling chicken with ‘contains meat’. if you want halal as a specialist requirement then you should have to go find it, not the other way around.

      1. I honestly doubt that halal business is even remotely true as I know many Muslim people who will not touch meat unless it is halal as they are well aware it must be done in a certain way otherwise it is unclean – they can’t even eat supermarket sausages because they all contain pork! Most butchers I know do NOT practice halal because being a halal butcher requires special licensing and learning how to perform the quick, painless cut which doesn’t take hours (*eyeroll*) . If you want to see distressing watch what happens when a slaughter-man misses the shot on a steer with a bolt gun, and then stands back and laughs as it goes through its death throes. If there’s any “long, ongoing suffering” that has to do with the rather disgusting practices of battery butchery in GENERAL and has little to nothing to do with halal – we’ve gone out of touch with raising our own food and the fact that more often than not it involves killing something else. I grew up on farms and hunting for meat in the US, I’m not squeamish but I’m amazed at how many people freak out at the fact that chicken has to die before it can be made into risotto.

        So, I’ve got to ask: “How british do I have to be?” I am one of the immigrant scum the BNP wants to get rid of; African American, Native American, Norwegian and (wait for it) Irish and English, yes it was several hundred years ago back when the civil war in England was going on as my mother’s people were Quakers and cavaliers, but there they are and you’d never know it due to my very-mixed-looking heritage and believe me, England in general lets me know this on a regular basis – I’m too foreign looking for British tastes. My son has all my culture as well as his father’s Yorkshire blood and I cannot count how many times I’ve gone round for round with him when my son picks up my accent “Stop talking like that, you sound American!”…so what now? Is my son no longer british enough? Is there some sort of “pencil test” like they used to do in order to determine if you were white enough to pass for it? Is someone going to ask me to spell “colour” and the difference between lager, bitter, and stout before I prove I’m British enough to be here even though my ancestry certainly comes from British soil? Am I supposed to erase everything I am, including somehow erasing my speech pattern so that my son will not SOUND foreign? Will I have to undergo a distillation process? I can assure you I know a fair bit more history and mythology than most people here in the UK and more than a few of the salt-of-the-earth types end up staring at me in gap-mouthed astonishment when I start waxing philosophical about Ten Summoners’ Tales ore Thomas the Rhymer. Should thank me, really, I’m actually adding some variation to a very small gene pool…must be why English people look so much alike.

        I love England’s culture and mythos, her beautiful countryside and customs, but there is no way I’m going to give up my love of buffalo wings, serving black eyed peas at Christmas, Aretha Franklin records or my soul-sistah drawl when I get irritated. If there’s a requirement for everyone to give up their culture in order to live in England, then may I suggest all curry and Chinese restaurants close, give the concept of zero back to the Middle East and screw up your maths forever, go back to pre-Age of Enlightenment concepts and paint faces blue with woad, cut down all the mulberries, give up on that whole silk business, gunpowder has obviously got to go, and hand the nobility back to Germany (which might save a few quid, actually).

        1. legitimate reason to the end of cigarette smoking!

          im in agreement with everything you have said, as a mixed briton myself. its actually ludicrous what they are proposing. i mean you really cant have it both ways, they want NO NON WHITES ergo they also want no non white culture.

          britian is amazing precisely because of the differences, differences now and differences that have built up over centuries. nothing authentic exists anymore anyway, the idea of a pure british experience is impossible, we live in a globalised society and everything is completely borrowed from everything else.

          enter the post-modern…

          and on the notion of modernism, the process of modernisation would have been impossible without a) immigrants and b) the spoils of other nations.

        2. “Most butchers I know do NOT practice halal because being a halal butcher requires special licensing and learning how to perform the quick, painless cut which doesn’t take hours (*eyeroll*) . “…………………”

          Go and do some research. Or are you scared of the truth?
          Halal slaughter involves live sheep, goats , cows, having there throat slit, then they are hooked up still alive and screaming.

          I dare you to look on youtube. Then say its ok.
          http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJVZAVIYdWVE

        3. Excerpt from recent Article by Jennifer Mathys “The slaughter of animals by halal or kosher methods could soon be banned in the Netherlands because of the unacceptable suffering that these methods inflict upon animals.
          The vote will take place later this month, and supporters of the ban in the Netherlands say that the humane treatment of animals must trump traditions of ‘tolerance’.
          As in most western countries, the Dutch law says that butchers must stun all livestock before slaughter to minimise pain and fear. But an exception is made for meat prepared under Jewish and Muslim dietary laws.
          These demand that animals be slaughtered while still awake, by swiftly cutting the main neck arteries with razor-sharp knives.
          Most of the Dutch favour a ban, and if the bill is passed, the Netherlands will join New Zealand, Scandinavian countries and Switzerland, which have all had bans for decades.
          Of course, much of the meat sold in the big supermarkets here in the UK is now halal – often not even labelled as such, but I doubt that we will be fortunate enough to see our Government stepping up to the mark and attempting to ban this barbaric practice, for fear of offending the ever-growing number of Muslim voters we now have in this country.”
          Please also read this article http://bnp.org.uk/news/guidance-halal-food-puts-muslim-interests-those-british-consumers, and then watch this video, and undertsand that this is not sensationalist speculation, it is carefully researched fact. Please also see this video, be warned it is not for those who have a weak stomach. http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJVZAVIYdWVE%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded

    2. marcus ,# iwas Totally under whelmed by the video. Was it filmed by kargaroo court productions? I could post hundreds of damming Islamic videos here.
      Please try to use some real facts, and maybe force yourself to read the BNPs
      Policy page. Its a breath of fresh air. That way I can have some real dialog with you. I do agree that Nick griffin has said some stupid things in the past.(so has every politician) just look at what Diane Abbot MP said only last year.
      ( she of the black vote) she is a black racist

      Ttp://www.coalitionofresistance.org.UK/2010/09/black-activists-last-in-first-out-cuts-will-increase-social-tensions/

  14. As a BNP voter one of the things that really cheeses me off, me off, is the holier than thou stance the far -left seem to have branded upon themselves.
    As a rule I don’t reply to the lefties, because they usually act like spoiled brats You know the ones that put there hands over there ears, and go “nererererer”
    And refuse to listen. (or you get the other leftie who shouts ” fascist, nazis ,bigot etc”)

    (in fairness not all do)

    All the reply’s so far on this forum have been un researched , and again the moral high ground has been assumed by the reds.
    Time to educate you in the ways of life.
    1. Most BNP voters are nice people who obey the law ,work give to charity and have husbands /wife’s/children/ mothers and farther’s
    2. They are no more racist than any other political party.

    3. All BNP councilors give 10% of there mp allowances to good causes.

    4. The BNP does not condone violence at all ( unlike the UAF who are a state funded militia who regularly attack any one who dares to speak the truth)

    5.the BNP want equality.not one race promoted above another.( you will find some folk in all party’s who don’t represent the side)

    6. The BNP are among you, you may work with some one, who has vote for them, but cant mention the fact for fear of intimidation or loosing there job.

    7. The BNP have members in the police,clergy, fire brigade, teaching proffesion….and so on and so on.
    ( are all these people nasty and unworthy of a voice in there own country?)

    Let me tell you this by voting for the BNP. My
    Conscience is clean when I watch the news and see our boys and girls who have been blown to pieces or left disabled by a war we have no right to be involved in. (can you labour/Tory/liberal voters say that?)

    My Conscience is clean when I read about old age pensioners who have froze to death because they cant afford to put the heating on, whilst billions of pounds is thrown away in foreign aid.
    And
    IN January 2010, the estimated bill for translation services in hospitals alone was calculated to be £55 million a year, while a “large proportion” of the 2011 census’s £500-million budget was taken up by translation costs.

    My conscience is clean when I don’t shop at ASDA, TESCO, WAITROSE, and all the other stealth halal food providers

    I could spend the next 10 hours adding to this list
    Now tell me this , when you refuse to acknowledge me or any BNP voter or refuse to speak to us, (like sulky babies)

    Who really has the moral high ground

    i wont be able to answer any more questions untill tuesday.i am doing normal happy family dutys.
    so please everyone of any race, creed gender or whatever have a nice weekend.:)

    from the Hunky Shrew

Comments are closed.